I bought these in place of Sharpies to label my kids' clothing for school. THey completely washed out after the first wash. NOT PERMANENT! Have never had this issue with Sharpies.
We use these pens in our nonprofit art programs and they're wonderful... but we have such a hard time with the packing! They are very frustrating to open and it's difficult to separate the plastic from the cardboard components for recycling. Please consider using cardboard-only packing for these great pens.
I purchased three packages of TRU RED fine tip markers. The price was very attractive so I didn't hesitate. Unfortunately they are not "fine" as advertised...thet aren't even medium by most standards. I would call them BOLD. They are good markers and I will find use for them but not the use I intended. I am a cartoonist; I need fine markers.
Picked these up as a reasonable alternative to Sharpie's. I work at a correctional facility and used these to decorate pumpkins for Halloween. Worked well the individuals had a good time with their creative abilities.